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	<title>Comments on: Amazon suppresses GLBT titles</title>
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	<description>Feminists blog about science fiction, speculative fiction, and fantasy. Books, movies, comics, games, reason, &#38; ranting.</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Who Really Wrote Othello?&#8221; link roundup &#171; Beyond Assumptions</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Who Really Wrote Othello?&#8221; link roundup &#171; Beyond Assumptions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amazon suppresses GLBT titles. As other commentators have pointed out not only is this offensive, but its inexplicable. I don&#8217;t get it. How could this possibly help business? I am not exactly prepared to boycott Amazon, but still . . . [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amazon suppresses GLBT titles. As other commentators have pointed out not only is this offensive, but its inexplicable. I don&#8217;t get it. How could this possibly help business? I am not exactly prepared to boycott Amazon, but still . . . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ide Cyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-238057</link>
		<dc:creator>Ide Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AfterEllen and AfterElton present: the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afterellen.com/blog/sarahwarn/fgn-lesbian-kindle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lesbian Kindle&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afterelton.com/blog/michaeljensen/gay-kindle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gay Kindle&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AfterEllen and AfterElton present: the <a href="http://www.afterellen.com/blog/sarahwarn/fgn-lesbian-kindle" rel="nofollow">Lesbian Kindle</a> and the <a href="http://www.afterelton.com/blog/michaeljensen/gay-kindle" rel="nofollow">Gay Kindle</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: tycho garen</title>
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		<dc:creator>tycho garen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ide thanks for posting the new links, I&#039;ve been frustrated with this whole mess: first at amazon for the screw up, of course, but then later at the inept analysis that proliferated madly over the weekend. I&#039;m glad that there&#039;s more reason prevailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ide thanks for posting the new links, I&#8217;ve been frustrated with this whole mess: first at amazon for the screw up, of course, but then later at the inept analysis that proliferated madly over the weekend. I&#8217;m glad that there&#8217;s more reason prevailing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ide Cyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237991</link>
		<dc:creator>Ide Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/idosyncratic-code-amazonfail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lilith Saintcrow&#039;s entry about the coding&lt;/a&gt; according to a source, and the comments questioning the plausibility of blaming a French programmer for the tagging of thousands of English-language books, and her other &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/tag/amazonfail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amazonfail-related entries&lt;/a&gt; for more.

And Kelley Eskridge on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.humansatwork.com/the-lessons-of-amazonfail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The lessons of Amazonfail&lt;/a&gt; in terms of management issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/2009/04/idosyncratic-code-amazonfail/" rel="nofollow">Lilith Saintcrow&#8217;s entry about the coding</a> according to a source, and the comments questioning the plausibility of blaming a French programmer for the tagging of thousands of English-language books, and her other <a href="http://www.lilithsaintcrow.com/journal/tag/amazonfail/" rel="nofollow">amazonfail-related entries</a> for more.</p>
<p>And Kelley Eskridge on <a href="http://www.humansatwork.com/the-lessons-of-amazonfail/" rel="nofollow">The lessons of Amazonfail</a> in terms of management issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Ide Cyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237990</link>
		<dc:creator>Ide Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like the problem is in the process of being fixed, although Amazon&#039;s PR in dealing with it has been problematic as well. 

From what I&#039;ve heard it seems to have been a combination of their filtering policy (to exclude porn), content tagging (which is done on purpose, and &lt;em&gt;possibly&lt;/em&gt; affected by miscommunication issues, but also with &lt;a href=&quot;http://craigspoplife.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-amazon-homophobic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a long history of bias&lt;/a&gt;), and coding changes -- the only part that can be described as a &quot;glitch&quot; -- coming into effect to prejudiciably filter titles according to new tags or to tags that hadn&#039;t led to filtering before. According to Amazon&#039;s statement, 57,310 titles were affected.

Amazon still needs to apologise to the authors of the works they discriminated against, to recognise that there was a problem beyond the so-called &quot;glitch&quot;, in the system that led to the problem (the biases in tagging and filtering) and in the management of the problem, in responding to user complaints and in publicly addressing those complaints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the problem is in the process of being fixed, although Amazon&#8217;s PR in dealing with it has been problematic as well. </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard it seems to have been a combination of their filtering policy (to exclude porn), content tagging (which is done on purpose, and <em>possibly</em> affected by miscommunication issues, but also with <a href="http://craigspoplife.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-amazon-homophobic.html" rel="nofollow">a long history of bias</a>), and coding changes &#8212; the only part that can be described as a &#8220;glitch&#8221; &#8212; coming into effect to prejudiciably filter titles according to new tags or to tags that hadn&#8217;t led to filtering before. According to Amazon&#8217;s statement, 57,310 titles were affected.</p>
<p>Amazon still needs to apologise to the authors of the works they discriminated against, to recognise that there was a problem beyond the so-called &#8220;glitch&#8221;, in the system that led to the problem (the biases in tagging and filtering) and in the management of the problem, in responding to user complaints and in publicly addressing those complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: tycho</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237916</link>
		<dc:creator>tycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer this goes on the more improbable and wacky it seems. While I don&#039;t have a lot of hope/respect for the greater good of amazon.com (at all) there&#039;s a *lot* of fail going on here. And not just feminist/queer/intelectual-based political fail, but technology fail, and public relations fail as well. 

I can&#039;t believe that amazon would go about the process of editing search results by hand, internally. You&#039;d think that they&#039;d sell preferential search responses at the very least, before they started censoring the list. And what&#039;s more, the application of the censoring is very uneven. It hit academic books, quasi-mainstream cultural critique books that weren&#039;t particularly radical (Female Chauvinist Pigs; I think some Camile Paglia&#039;s stuff as well), some queer stuff was untouched. 

Censorship is always uneven, particularly over large datasets, that&#039;s sort of the point, but this is so particularly uneven that it seems unlikely that this is the result of a single monolitic ideological mission from within amazon. 

There&#039;s been some talk, particularly after the release of the &quot;glitch&quot; press release (see, above with regards to &quot;public relations fail&quot;) that some sort of public ranking feature that allowed users to flag books as being inappropriate, went awry and delisted things that had passed some threshold. This would account for the unevenness, for sure.

The questions, that I&#039;d have for amazon, then, aren&#039;t &quot;why are you censoring queer folk&#039;s books,&quot; but rather: 

- Why are you allowing anyone to censor anything of your search results? A well indexed, easily search able inventory is what makes amazon valuable, if search isn&#039;t reliable, you won&#039;t be as valuable nor sell as many books. What gives? 

- Why are you letting this PR disaster continue on without providing information that would defuse it? More reliable information in this situation could only help matters for you and your customers. What&#039;s up with this tightliped &quot;glitch&quot; press releases when you have blogs and twitter? 

- What the hell happened with that customer service? Even if it were true, I can&#039;t fathom wanting a customer service rep. to give that kind of answer. Seriously, yo?

Beyond that, my mind boggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer this goes on the more improbable and wacky it seems. While I don&#8217;t have a lot of hope/respect for the greater good of amazon.com (at all) there&#8217;s a *lot* of fail going on here. And not just feminist/queer/intelectual-based political fail, but technology fail, and public relations fail as well. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that amazon would go about the process of editing search results by hand, internally. You&#8217;d think that they&#8217;d sell preferential search responses at the very least, before they started censoring the list. And what&#8217;s more, the application of the censoring is very uneven. It hit academic books, quasi-mainstream cultural critique books that weren&#8217;t particularly radical (Female Chauvinist Pigs; I think some Camile Paglia&#8217;s stuff as well), some queer stuff was untouched. </p>
<p>Censorship is always uneven, particularly over large datasets, that&#8217;s sort of the point, but this is so particularly uneven that it seems unlikely that this is the result of a single monolitic ideological mission from within amazon. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s been some talk, particularly after the release of the &#8220;glitch&#8221; press release (see, above with regards to &#8220;public relations fail&#8221;) that some sort of public ranking feature that allowed users to flag books as being inappropriate, went awry and delisted things that had passed some threshold. This would account for the unevenness, for sure.</p>
<p>The questions, that I&#8217;d have for amazon, then, aren&#8217;t &#8220;why are you censoring queer folk&#8217;s books,&#8221; but rather: </p>
<p>- Why are you allowing anyone to censor anything of your search results? A well indexed, easily search able inventory is what makes amazon valuable, if search isn&#8217;t reliable, you won&#8217;t be as valuable nor sell as many books. What gives? </p>
<p>- Why are you letting this PR disaster continue on without providing information that would defuse it? More reliable information in this situation could only help matters for you and your customers. What&#8217;s up with this tightliped &#8220;glitch&#8221; press releases when you have blogs and twitter? </p>
<p>- What the hell happened with that customer service? Even if it were true, I can&#8217;t fathom wanting a customer service rep. to give that kind of answer. Seriously, yo?</p>
<p>Beyond that, my mind boggles.</p>
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		<title>By: Ide Cyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237882</link>
		<dc:creator>Ide Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brinstar &amp; Wendy: yes, those have been affected too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brinstar &#038; Wendy: yes, those have been affected too.</p>
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		<title>By: SD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon.jp too: 
http://kagedreams.livejournal.com/209940.html.  

I think I remember on Mark Probst&#039;s original post to the effect that amazon.de has also been caught up in this, as well, but can&#039;t find the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon.jp too:<br />
<a href="http://kagedreams.livejournal.com/209940.html" rel="nofollow">http://kagedreams.livejournal.com/209940.html</a>.  </p>
<p>I think I remember on Mark Probst&#8217;s original post to the effect that amazon.de has also been caught up in this, as well, but can&#8217;t find the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Pearson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237836</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also affecting academic books. You won&#039;t find Queer Universes, my own anthology, if you simply open a browser window and search for the title. Nor will you find some other academic books with &quot;queer&quot; in the title, such as Sara Ahmed&#039;s Queer Phenomenology. I wonder what Amazon thinks is &quot;adult&quot; about these books? Perhaps the use of words of more that two syllables?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also affecting academic books. You won&#8217;t find Queer Universes, my own anthology, if you simply open a browser window and search for the title. Nor will you find some other academic books with &#8220;queer&#8221; in the title, such as Sara Ahmed&#8217;s Queer Phenomenology. I wonder what Amazon thinks is &#8220;adult&#8221; about these books? Perhaps the use of words of more that two syllables?</p>
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		<title>By: Brinstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1118&#038;cpage=1#comment-237833</link>
		<dc:creator>Brinstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not only LGBT-themed books that are affected. Books on disability and sexuality (http://lisybabe.blogspot.com/2009/04/amazonfail.html) as well as well as feminist books and books on sexuality (http://melissagira.com/sexerati/2009/04/12/amazon-removes-sales-rank-from-sexuality-queer-titles/). Books on suicide prevention and rape have also had their rankings removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only LGBT-themed books that are affected. Books on disability and sexuality (<a href="http://lisybabe.blogspot.com/2009/04/amazonfail.html" rel="nofollow">http://lisybabe.blogspot.com/2009/04/amazonfail.html</a>) as well as well as feminist books and books on sexuality (<a href="http://melissagira.com/sexerati/2009/04/12/amazon-removes-sales-rank-from-sexuality-queer-titles/" rel="nofollow">http://melissagira.com/sexerati/2009/04/12/amazon-removes-sales-rank-from-sexuality-queer-titles/</a>). Books on suicide prevention and rape have also had their rankings removed.</p>
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