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		<title>By: Cheryl Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252862</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin:

You are right that it is basic netiquette, but it also encourages the idea that the SMOFs really are a secretive cabal who run things from behind the scenes - the very thing that &quot;SMOF&quot; was supposed to parody. These issues are of concern to all of fandom, and they ought to be discussed openly, as they are here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin:</p>
<p>You are right that it is basic netiquette, but it also encourages the idea that the SMOFs really are a secretive cabal who run things from behind the scenes &#8211; the very thing that &#8220;SMOF&#8221; was supposed to parody. These issues are of concern to all of fandom, and they ought to be discussed openly, as they are here.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Hinz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252814</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl,

Lynching? Uh, no. More like, &quot;Well, why would someone want to second a motion without endorsing it?&quot;  ANS: &quot;So that it can be debated and (hopefully) a workable proposal be hashed out.&quot; (I paraphrase highly, as I don&#039;t have the archives handy right now, but really it was pretty civil.)

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The trouble with the SMOFs list is that it is a private forum whose members strongly resent anything they say there being made public.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is basic list netiquette, and shouldn&#039;t be trifled with. Nothing&#039;s preventing you (or anyone else) from being a list lurker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl,</p>
<p>Lynching? Uh, no. More like, &#8220;Well, why would someone want to second a motion without endorsing it?&#8221;  ANS: &#8220;So that it can be debated and (hopefully) a workable proposal be hashed out.&#8221; (I paraphrase highly, as I don&#8217;t have the archives handy right now, but really it was pretty civil.)</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The trouble with the SMOFs list is that it is a private forum whose members strongly resent anything they say there being made public.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is basic list netiquette, and shouldn&#8217;t be trifled with. Nothing&#8217;s preventing you (or anyone else) from being a list lurker.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonmei</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252239</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonmei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s what I thought Colin meant. That&#039;s why I thought their behavior ranged from despicable to questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s what I thought Colin meant. That&#8217;s why I thought their behavior ranged from despicable to questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252237</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Colin means is that some of them were looking for an excuse to have me lynched while others were saying that they had no legitimate excuse because seconding a motion does not automatically imply support for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Colin means is that some of them were looking for an excuse to have me lynched while others were saying that they had no legitimate excuse because seconding a motion does not automatically imply support for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonmei</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252235</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonmei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;they were looking at the matter from a Rules of Order perspective &lt;/I&gt;

With Tim and Kevin&#039;s assistance, how could anyone doubt the amendment had been proposed perfectly in order with the rules? 

As, indeed, it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they were looking at the matter from a Rules of Order perspective </i></p>
<p>With Tim and Kevin&#8217;s assistance, how could anyone doubt the amendment had been proposed perfectly in order with the rules? </p>
<p>As, indeed, it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Hinz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252232</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really don’t see much of a distinction between flaming someone for endorsing a proposal you dislike and flaming the proposal itself&quot;

The discussion had gone completely beyond the proposal at that point.....they were looking at the matter from a Rules of Order perspective (because, you know, the SMOFS LIST, right?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really don’t see much of a distinction between flaming someone for endorsing a proposal you dislike and flaming the proposal itself&#8221;</p>
<p>The discussion had gone completely beyond the proposal at that point&#8230;..they were looking at the matter from a Rules of Order perspective (because, you know, the SMOFS LIST, right?).</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252218</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin:

The trouble with the SMOFs list is that it is a private forum whose members strongly resent anything they say there being made public. Therefore those of us who are not on the list have to rely on rumor and hearsay as to what goes on there. I must admit I&#039;m surprised at how little discussion you report. I&#039;d been given to believe that there was a torrent of abuse (possibly by people who wishes that there had been).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin:</p>
<p>The trouble with the SMOFs list is that it is a private forum whose members strongly resent anything they say there being made public. Therefore those of us who are not on the list have to rely on rumor and hearsay as to what goes on there. I must admit I&#8217;m surprised at how little discussion you report. I&#8217;d been given to believe that there was a torrent of abuse (possibly by people who wishes that there had been).</p>
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		<title>By: Yonmei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yonmei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Much of the actual flamage about the proposal was whether seconding a proposal was an actual endorsement of it&lt;/I&gt;

Uh huh. I really don&#039;t see much of a distinction between flaming someone for endorsing a proposal you dislike and flaming the proposal itself, except that the former is clearly completely despicable and the latter is arguably a form of free speech.

&lt;I&gt;there were a total of 9 brief posts on the subject, 3 of them facetious. &lt;/I&gt;

There was considerably more comment dissing the proposal on LJ, then - which was what I read, Friday night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Much of the actual flamage about the proposal was whether seconding a proposal was an actual endorsement of it</i></p>
<p>Uh huh. I really don&#8217;t see much of a distinction between flaming someone for endorsing a proposal you dislike and flaming the proposal itself, except that the former is clearly completely despicable and the latter is arguably a form of free speech.</p>
<p><i>there were a total of 9 brief posts on the subject, 3 of them facetious. </i></p>
<p>There was considerably more comment dissing the proposal on LJ, then &#8211; which was what I read, Friday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Hinz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252215</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Voted down without discussion on Friday morning. Sparked (by report) considerable and vituperative discussion on the SMOFS mailing list.&quot;

Just to clarify for the historical record, between Kevin Standlee&#039;s announcement of the proposal (on Thursday evening) and some AOL user posting as &#039;Gary&#039; announcing its defeat, there were a total of 9 brief posts on the subject, 3 of them facetious. There were also 4 strong objections, of which 3 were from women.

Much of the actual flamage about the proposal was whether seconding a proposal was an actual endorsement of it, and similar matters of procedure (ah, sweet SMOFS list!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Voted down without discussion on Friday morning. Sparked (by report) considerable and vituperative discussion on the SMOFS mailing list.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just to clarify for the historical record, between Kevin Standlee&#8217;s announcement of the proposal (on Thursday evening) and some AOL user posting as &#8216;Gary&#8217; announcing its defeat, there were a total of 9 brief posts on the subject, 3 of them facetious. There were also 4 strong objections, of which 3 were from women.</p>
<p>Much of the actual flamage about the proposal was whether seconding a proposal was an actual endorsement of it, and similar matters of procedure (ah, sweet SMOFS list!).</p>
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		<title>By: Yonmei</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1202&#038;cpage=1#comment-252163</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonmei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Karl. Can I direct your attention to &lt;a href=&quot;http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/purpose/faq-i-asked-some-feminists-a-question-and-instead-of-answering-they-sent-me-here-why/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Finally, a Feminism 101&lt;/a&gt; blog, which has many useful resources for you to thoughtfully consider before you return here to comment on this thread again. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karl. Can I direct your attention to <a href="http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/purpose/faq-i-asked-some-feminists-a-question-and-instead-of-answering-they-sent-me-here-why/" rel="nofollow">Finally, a Feminism 101</a> blog, which has many useful resources for you to thoughtfully consider before you return here to comment on this thread again. Thank you.</p>
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