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	<title>Comments on: How to vote in the 2008 Hugos</title>
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	<description>Feminists blog about science fiction, speculative fiction, and fantasy. Books, movies, comics, games, reason, &#38; ranting.</description>
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		<title>By: Announcing: The SFBookswap &#171; The Angry Black Woman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-40679</link>
		<dc:creator>Announcing: The SFBookswap &#171; The Angry Black Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sounds nice. But&#8230; only books by women? The Zeitgeist is for more deserving female authors on the Hugo list, so that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re focusing on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sounds nice. But&#8230; only books by women? The Zeitgeist is for more deserving female authors on the Hugo list, so that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re focusing on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist SF - The Blog! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookswapping for a better world</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-40353</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist SF - The Blog! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookswapping for a better world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not just the cost of a membership that&#8217;s holding some readers back, it&#8217;s also the cost of acquiring new books to read. I suggested a way for interested parties to read newly published books without having to spend a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not just the cost of a membership that&#8217;s holding some readers back, it&#8217;s also the cost of acquiring new books to read. I suggested a way for interested parties to read newly published books without having to spend a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Henry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32912</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I had not read Dear Patriarchy, could someone blog that not-in-comments? If not I&#039;ll try to do it as soon as I have a bit more rant and write and time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I had not read Dear Patriarchy, could someone blog that not-in-comments? If not I&#8217;ll try to do it as soon as I have a bit more rant and write and time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ide Cyan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32885</link>
		<dc:creator>Ide Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea, Madeline. Forward thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea, Madeline. Forward thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline F</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32832</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeline F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made up&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/em&gt; a page for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.feministsf.net/index.php?title=Women_eligible_for_2008_SF_Awards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;awards that draw on 2007&#039;s books but are awarded in 2008&lt;/a&gt;, and transferred over all the books listed in the &quot;nominate women writers 2007&quot; page...  Will check them for dates later, when it&#039;s not nearly 2 AM.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made up a page for the <a href="http://wiki.feministsf.net/index.php?title=Women_eligible_for_2008_SF_Awards" rel="nofollow">awards that draw on 2007&#8242;s books but are awarded in 2008</a>, and transferred over all the books listed in the &#8220;nominate women writers 2007&#8243; page&#8230;  Will check them for dates later, when it&#8217;s not nearly 2 AM.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline F</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32810</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeline F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closing the bold tag didn&#039;t work.&lt;/B&gt;  :(  I&#039;ll &lt;b&gt;try again.&lt;/b&gt;

Also, as I went to edit, I thought:  shouldn&#039;t we set up a clearinghouse for all the Hugo categories, not just the writing-related ones?  And it seems like the Nebula stuff should be on a separate page, since it&#039;s got a different (rolling) eligibility schedule.  (We can&#039;t vote for Nebulas unless we&#039;re part of SFWA, but it would be good to have something to point SFWA people to.)  I guess I should ask this all on a discussion page on the wiki?  I&#039;m really new to wikiing, sorry if I get stuff wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closing the bold tag didn&#8217;t work.  :(  I&#8217;ll <b>try again.</b></p>
<p>Also, as I went to edit, I thought:  shouldn&#8217;t we set up a clearinghouse for all the Hugo categories, not just the writing-related ones?  And it seems like the Nebula stuff should be on a separate page, since it&#8217;s got a different (rolling) eligibility schedule.  (We can&#8217;t vote for Nebulas unless we&#8217;re part of SFWA, but it would be good to have something to point SFWA people to.)  I guess I should ask this all on a discussion page on the wiki?  I&#8217;m really new to wikiing, sorry if I get stuff wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline F</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32808</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeline F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/b&gt;I&#039;m commenting to say that it&#039;s good to have lists of what&#039;s eligible for the various awards, and also to close the freeging bold tag!

Now, off to edit a wiki for the first time ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m commenting to say that it&#8217;s good to have lists of what&#8217;s eligible for the various awards, and also to close the freeging bold tag!</p>
<p>Now, off to edit a wiki for the first time ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Q</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32721</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did folks read &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/magazine/winter2007/column-dear-patriarchy-by-elizabeth-bear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dear Patriarchy&lt;/A&gt;, by Elizabeth Bear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did folks read <a HREF="http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/magazine/winter2007/column-dear-patriarchy-by-elizabeth-bear/" rel="nofollow">Dear Patriarchy</a>, by Elizabeth Bear?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Q</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32677</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relatedly - This is an issue for women in other fields too. Women in science, for instance, get disproportionately fewer awards, based on other measures (like citation ratings for their work). There&#039;s a project to act as a clearinghouse for women scientists to make sure that people who nominate for various science awards (including grants) have access to information about women scientists. (I&#039;ll try to dig up the URL.)

The NAS report &quot;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11741&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beyond Bias and Barriers&lt;/A&gt;&quot; covers the academic promotion &amp; tenure issues, which is related to the same unintentional bias and systemic bias problems. (Intentional bias plays a role, too, undoubtedly. But the report focuses on analyzing the data and recommending solutions to eliminate the unintentional/systemic problems. I think that&#039;s actually quite practical in this instance: Once you eliminate opportunities for unintentional/systemic bias, then intentional bias stands out and is easy to prove.) The prepub PDF is available for $15, and the final will be out soon. But lots of local universities etc. have it (and it&#039;s another recommendation for your local library).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relatedly &#8211; This is an issue for women in other fields too. Women in science, for instance, get disproportionately fewer awards, based on other measures (like citation ratings for their work). There&#8217;s a project to act as a clearinghouse for women scientists to make sure that people who nominate for various science awards (including grants) have access to information about women scientists. (I&#8217;ll try to dig up the URL.)</p>
<p>The NAS report &#8220;<a HREF="http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11741" rel="nofollow">Beyond Bias and Barriers</a>&#8221; covers the academic promotion &#038; tenure issues, which is related to the same unintentional bias and systemic bias problems. (Intentional bias plays a role, too, undoubtedly. But the report focuses on analyzing the data and recommending solutions to eliminate the unintentional/systemic problems. I think that&#8217;s actually quite practical in this instance: Once you eliminate opportunities for unintentional/systemic bias, then intentional bias stands out and is easy to prove.) The prepub PDF is available for $15, and the final will be out soon. But lots of local universities etc. have it (and it&#8217;s another recommendation for your local library).</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=144&#038;cpage=1#comment-32675</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura: ok. I&#039;ll go and add the US books I can think of now, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura: ok. I&#8217;ll go and add the US books I can think of now, then.</p>
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